On Monday, May 6th, I was joined by Buddhist scholar, meditation teacher, psychologist, and trauma and attachment expert Daniel P. Brown—a notable event because he rarely grants public interviews!
“The Path to Everything Good” is a riveting transmission of practical spiritual instruction, woven together with scientific and psychological insights, and grounded practical advice. Several listeners wrote to me that they plan to listen to this recording again and again. It’s that rich.
Dan speaks clearly and with great specificity and detail. In the process he does something I’ve never seen done quite so well. High Tibetan Buddhist “Mahamudra” practice (instead of seeming ornate and esoteric and complex) comes across clearly, simply, powerfully, and experientially. Listening to this conversation you may discover a Tibetan Buddhism you’ve never seen before.
In Tibetan Buddhism there’s a cultural convention against describing meditative attainments, but there’s an obscure tradition of “pointing out” instruction that speaks very specifically and in detail about what each stage of the practice is really like, and which offers very practical advice about how to progress, stage by stage, all the way to awakening.
Dan illuminated crucial aspects of the “three maps to awakening” of Tibetan Buddhist “Mahamudra”: 1) the process of building steadiness of concentration, 2) the practice of emptiness until there is stabilization of awakening, and 3) the practice of realizing full Buddhahood—“everything good”.
Dan pointed out that that there are 80 positive qualities of Buddha Mind, and that they can be consciously cultivated. This evolution of awakening practices (going from merely ending suffering to cultivating positivity) can be traced to the “second turning of the wheel of Dharma”—the evolution of Mahayana Buddhism. He likened each turning to a scientific revolution, bearing innovations, discoveries and insights that were absent from the prior stage. He outlined them for those unfamiliar with Buddhism
The First Turning concerns the Four Noble Truths, and liberation from suffering. Dukkha (the mind’s tendency to make more of what it wants and less of what it doesn’t want), Impermanence, and Anatta (no self) are the three insights to awakening on this path.
The Second Turning concerns Emptiness practice. After 500 years of the First Turning, a new insight sprung up —Emptiness, or “just a construction of mind.” Relative truth was distinguished, and the realization that to touch ultimate truth, you have to see beyond the reification of constructs, such as time.
The Third Turning, concerns the essence traditions and the idea that we are always, already awake as part of our hardwiring. The sun (awakening) always shines, but habits cloud over our Buddha nature. The practice is to clear up the clouds.
Dan points out that Westerners, so prone to distraction, need the “elephant path” (so called because training concentration is like training an elephant). He distinguished concentration from the practice of mindfulness, which is marked by a continuity of non-reactive awareness and no intensification. Dan called ADD “a metaphor for modern culture”. Even though highly skilled concentrators from the Tibetan tradition can do 7 things at once, most of us only think that we are “multitasking”. In reality, we are being distracted by each new task or stimulus and eroding the efficiency of our engagement with all of them.
But despite the fact that we are a highly distractible species, “the elephant can learn to settle down.” The anterior cingulate cortex (ACC) is the part of the brain that’s activated in concentration. Because of the neuroplasticity of the brain, practicing the elephant path, increases the strength and volume of the ACC. Eventually with practice, you can stabilize concentration and sustain a capacity to pay careful attention, even in our ADD culture.
Dan discussed the sense of self too. It’s necessary and healthy as a central organizing principle, for coherence and continuity across time, space and state. The problem is that we forget that it’s a representation. There are two consequences to this forgetting:
1. “Grab” — we get severely attached to both negative and positive experiences which leads to suffering.
2. “Obscuration” — The structure of the mind, the self, becomes a cloud over the true nature of awareness. This obscures the “sun” of our primordial awareness and freedom, the most primary dimension of existence that exists beyond time.
Buddhist “Emptiness” practice is to stop thinking of these structures of the mind as independently existing. Then, you see something about the nature of awareness. He described a “high- speed awareness practice of unfindability” where we target the self, emotion, or time and roam the body and being in search of it, until it recedes from awareness. What’s left is the field of awareness itself.
When the Nagarjuna came along and turned the Dharma wheel, he took Emptiness one step further, with the insight that things seem to come and go because of time, which is a construct of mind. This insight means that if something arises, I take the view that it was already here. And if it goes, I take the view that it never leaves. Thus, everything is interconnected because it doesn’t operate temporally in time.
This “all-at-onceness” is the gateway to Mahayana, the Great Vehicle. And this will change your ethics because you become aware that everything you think and do affects everything in the field. All is interconnected. This is a profoundly different view of the universe than what came before.
Dan acknowledged that any experience of awakening is accompanied by deep compassion and spontaneous gratitude and devotion. However, he pointed out that it is not stable. One must engage in practices to nurture and stabilize it. So there’s another world of practices to bring that awakening to full Buddhahood. Still, for all of us, what’s built into the hard wiring of awakening is compassion and service for others. That is “the path to everything good.”
Toward the end of the dialog, a caller asked Dan to further elucidate the high speed awareness practice of, “Emptiness of Emotions”. He responded by taking us through a powerful exercise of roaming through the body-mind for the underlying emotion. Following fear, we can come to the realization that fear is actually alertness.
The high point of the conversation for me came at the end, when Dan gave a gorgeous explication of the mantra of the Heart Sutra, wherein he outlined the whole path to awakening, hidden in plain sight, by the few poetic words of the mantra: “Gaté, Gaté, Paragaté, Parasamgaté. Bodhi! Svaha!”
I invite you to listen to the full dialog here.
Hi Terry, brilliant interview. I’ve listened twice and will listen again.
Let’s face it Tibetan Buddhism did not save Tibet from being invaded by China and it didn’t save monks from being massacred in their monastaries. And it’s not going to save us from what’s coming down the line either.
So what can we do in our own lives? Make preparations in line with our own assessment of the risks and, as Dan advises, take up or strengthen emptiness practice to take the ‘grab’ out of our experience. ‘It’s not what you’re looking at, it’s where you’re looking from that counts.’ What a gem to finish the interview!
By the way I remain optimistic about the future of humanity. I just think we’re going to have to get through a financial systems collapse, a civilizational collapse and a substantial human die-off… Ironically this could turn out to be the best thing for every species on the planet (including our own).
Hi David, Thanks for your comment — which points to something fundamental here. I think the interview with Dan Brown is nicely complemented by the social-transformation focus of the following interview — with David Gershon. They come from entirely different perspectives (Rigpa vs. conditional existence) and yet when both are taken together, something bigger comes into view, enlightened and free, nonproblematic, and yet able to face urgency and “go forth” in action. With that in place, I share (emphatically!) your positive orientation. Be well, Terry
Terry, You are so great. I have not had a chance to listen yet but I will and because you were impressed, I expect that I will be, too.
Jean
Terry – was turned on to you and your site by a good friend. The piece with Daniel Brown is remarkable and rich. It ranks as the number one piece that I have been exposed to thus far (has me contemplating who “I” am or aren’t (smile). Keep up the good work.
Namaste — The Light within my soul bows to the Light within yours.
Insight and clarification that wonderfully knits together a greater understanding, while also UN-winding our habitual limits. 10,000 bows! Ceaseless thanks to Terry, and renewed appreciation (read “Transformations of Consciousness” a while back) for Daniel’s work. [Wonder if he and Lynn Feldman have collaborated on the Integral/legal front.]
@J.Jennings: Daniel translates and “unpacks” the Heart Sutra mantra starting at about 45:10 in the dialogue.
Shout out to Noelle!
Thank you so much, Terry, for this remarkable interview. I really really enjoyed Dan’s presentation and I will listen to it several times for sure. Thank you for all your wonderful work in general (aside from your political foray with “a case for Mitt Romney”).
With appreciation and gratitude,
Noelle
🙂 Thanks, Noelle! (I assume that was tongue-in-cheek and you’ve seen http://integralobama.com)
A translation of “Gaté, Gaté, Paragaté, Parasamgaté. Bodhi! Svaha!” would have been good
“Gone, Gone, Gone Beyond, Gone Way Beyond, Oooh! What a Realization!”
This is an exquisite talk…continue to go back to it and to find more jewels each time. Thank you!
Hi Barbara,
yes! I felt it was full of “jewels of wisdom” as well. Thank you for your words of appreciation.
Blessings,
Terry